[Public WebGL] Compositing with HTML
Fri Jan 8 17:31:37 PST 2010
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Chris Marrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Vangelis Kokkevis wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Chris Marrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Kenneth Waters wrote:
> > >> If you do this test in WebKit it seems to do the right thing. Over
> white the clear color looks the same because of clamping, but over other
> colors the red is too bright. But if you do this in Firefox, it looks wrong.
> Over white, you get gray! In fact, any red component over 0.5 gives you the
> same result. So it looks like when Firefox gets a color component over 1.0,
> it replaces the entire color with black or something. Is this a bug in
> > >
> > > I think this is undefined behavior. My personal preference is that
> > > the color channels are clammed to alpha, unless its specified
> > > differently elsewhere. Seems like this should go into section 5.1.1
> > > of the spec.
> > I believe this behavior is specified in the HTML spec, so I don't think
> we need to make any additional definitions here.
> > >
> > >> Maybe there's nothing we need to do here.
> > >
> > > OpenGL doesn't have a concept of premultiplied or unpremultiplied
> > > alpha. You can use OpenGL to blend in either space. I don't think we
> > > need to do anything about it here, beyond what we've already said in
> > > the WebGLContextAttributes, and to define what happens for out of
> > > range values.
> > >
> > >> But we at least need to make a notation that clearColor does not obey
> the blendFunc and the values you specify go into the color buffer directly,
> so you need to take this into account if your color buffer is premultiplied.
> > >
> > > I think this is spelled out quite well in the GL-ES 2.0 spec, "The GL
> > > provides a means for setting portions of every pixel in a particular
> > > buffer to the same value." "When Clear is called, the only
> > > per-fragment operations that are applied (if enabled) are the pixel
> > > ownership test, the scissor test, and dithering" (section 4.2.3).
> > OpenGL is different from other API's in this class in that it doesn't try
> to help the author much with the premultiplied vs un-premultiplied issue.
> It's a real issue, and it came up because one of my co-workers, who is very
> familiar with HTML rendering, got really confused by the fact that you have
> to worry about premultiplication in the clearColor. Since we will have a
> large audience of developers familiar with other web tech, we owe it to them
> to point out this issue.
> > I agree that this is confusing and worth at least a couple of sentences
> in the spec with details on what needs to be done to produce correct
> pre-multiplied colors as expected by the WebGL canvas. It's a matter of:
> > 1. Clearing with correct pre-multiplied colors.
> > 2. Outputing pre-multiplied colors from pixel shaders.
> > 3. Setting the blend modes such that they blending is correct assuming
> pre-multiplied colors for both source and target
> Would you care to take a whack at those couple of sentences?
Sure, I'll put something together.
> [email protected]
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