[Public WebGL] WEBGL_compressed_texture_s3tc_srgb

Florian Bösch [email protected]
Wed Jun 15 03:13:26 PDT 2016

And I need to add, a true solution to the entire problem should be to pass
a linear space 16-bit per channel luminance value to the GPU, and the GPU
negotiates with the display device how that is to reproduce. It's a true
solution because a LDR 16-bit per channel value is sufficiently
fine-grained to avoid banding issues, and the GPU negotiating how to
reproduce it on display is a transparent abstraction to the application
programmer, so it's ideal to reduce complexity.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Florian Bösch <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Mark Callow <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Florian Bösch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> the values will be compressed to non-linear before being written to the
>>> framebuffer.
>> Otherwise they are written as is.
>> This is incorrect. You need to distinguish between framebuffers, and
>> framebuffer objects.
>> It is correct and you do not need to distinguish between framebuffers and
>> FBOs. Both default framebuffers created with an EGL 1.5 setting for
>> as color attachment will have a FRAMEBUFFER_ATTACHMENT_COLOR_ENCODING of
>> sRGB.
> It is incorrect to throw them together for a simple reason. EGL defines
> that sRGB framebuffers values are read out in sRGB space. This would extend
> to a browser as well being a "compositor". However WebGL 1/2 do not have
> explicit framebuffer setup, so the point is moot, to the browser the front
> framebuffer is never sRGB. An sRGB texture (such as you would attach to a
> framebuffer object) however is always read out on lookup as linear. So even
> if you somehow managed to smuggle an sRGB texture as the frontbuffer to the
> Browser (which you can't), it would use texture2D to lookup that texture
> upon compositing, and would get linear values. The browser being colorspace
> agnostic, would then just straight pipe the linear space into everything
> else it composits with, which is in nonlinear space, which is incorrect.
> If you ever where to support sRGB front buffers in WebGL, the browser
> would have to re-encode the linearly read out value from the sRGB texture
> it uses as a stand-in for a frontbuffer from the WebGL context explicitely
> into sRGB space again manually (the OS isn't going to help him any with
> that). As it stands, that capability does not exist, and so the application
> programmer has to do that job, and the job is identical, perform a
> re-encode to sRGB from the linear value read out from the sRGB texture and
> blit it as non-linear value onto the WebGL front buffer. This is why the
> distinction matters. Because the browser (or the application programmer)
> can only emulate (manually) EGL agnostic behavior, with a non colorspace
> agnostic bitmap surface. This is a problem you do not have in native EGL
> because EGL is specified to be agnostic, so a native programmer doesn't
> have to care.
> If you do not make this distinction clearly, and correctly, you will end
> up with garbage in your WebGL frontbuffer.
>>> The canvas color space proposal together with sRGB rendering support is
>>> intended to resolve these and other color space issues.
>> It will not solve the underlying issue that everything that gets sent to
>> a display is sent to the display in sRGB, because the display is forced to
>> accept sRGB only because that's how it came into existence.
>> One of the drivers for the proposal is support of HDR and wide gamut
>> displays. It is no longer true that everything sent to a display is sRGB.
> To my knowledge this is still the case throughout the entire stack
> (display IC, wire protocol, GPU, driver, OS and application). That does not
> mean that wide gamut displays do not exist, but what gets shunted to them
> always goes trough the limited straw of sRGB and 8bbc precision.
> All applications that stretches their contrast across the range of
> available values (0 - 255) always use the maximum available gamut of the
> display device, regardless of what that is. The result just doesn't match
> of course (but wide gamut displays are advertised to the consumer as
> "prettier" and that's in fact how they look, regardless if it's a faithful
> reproduction, consumers don't seem to care much about that, even though we
> do).
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